State of Mankind

A New Way Of Thinking

On To The United Order

Nothing seems to provoke political sparks faster than the economic argument.  Everyone seems to have their set idea on how the economy could function better, or be more fair, or closer to what the Lord desires of us.  This often leads us into seemingly divergent beliefs.  However, the more these things are discussed, the more it seems we all want the same thing.  We want to move on to what members of my faith call the United Order.  But what is the United Order?  How does it look?  How is it legislated?  Is it run by automatic control or conscious control?  What are automatic and conscious controls?  Does it follow a Keynesian model or something else?  Is money even used at all?  In an attempt to answer these and many more questions, we will look first at the past, especially from the insight given by Dr. Quigley’s book Tragedy & Hope,  as his history covers thousands of years, the entire world, and many different economic systems, especially those of the West.  We will look at the social and moral aspects of these types of economies.  We will also try to see which aspects of each type of economy may pertain to the United Order, and which aspects caused this particular order to fade into the past.  Finally, we will try to see some aspects of the United Order and what we can do to help it to be established.

Dr. Quigley named six distinct types of economy that existed in Western Culture.  These include:  Manorial (670 AD-1150), Commercial capitalism (1050-1690), Industrial capitalism (1770-1870), Financial Capitalism (1850-1932), Monopoly Capitalism (1890-1950), and the Pluralist economy (1934-present).  In the coming weeks, there will be a posting on each of these, defining it by Dr. Quigley’s assessment and adding my own research and opinion.  The success of this project will depend very much on getting the perspectives of others who may have something to add.  My hope would by that by discussing these things in depth, and in the historical context, we can all gain a greater understanding of why each of us believes as we do in the current world, and we can each decide on positive steps toward accomplishing the will of the Lord in our own lives.

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  1. John

     /  June 26, 2012

    I am excited for these upcoming posts. As you know, I have been getting well versed in the liberal arguments of our day. I will give my input on a more practical economical side versus just plain theory. I feel these will b gret discussions and hope many others will give their two cents worth as well.

  2. Kerry

     /  June 26, 2012

    …a MAN wearing a white robe says follow ME and leads Lehi into darkness. Lost, he cries for mercy from the Lord and this saves him. Moral: don’t follow men saying follow me just because they wear white robes?

    What are covenants? Does God require that we pick and choose which covenants we follow?

    When do we begin to make covenants with God?? When and where do we make covenants for mortality and immortality??

    Why am I asking these questions????

  3. Troy B.

     /  July 1, 2012

    Looking forward to the posts and I am sure I will have LOTS to add to each one. I often wonder though if the United Order completely eludes us now simply because we literally have no comprehension of it. Also, I am trying to figure out a seemingly difficult dichotomy:

    1) Money isn’t everything and money can’t buy you happiness.
    2) However, money has a direct impact on virtually every aspect of a person’s life.

    Money in large part determines your opportunities, position, education, health, power, relationships, food you eat, hobbies you pursue, talents that are developed, where you live, ability to help others, etc. The poor aren’t stupid; they’re uneducated. The poor aren’t ugly; they lack cosmetic procedures. The poor aren’t without talent; they lack resources to develop their abilities. The poor don’t naturally disregard their yards and homes; they can’t afford to sustain, repair or expand. The poor aren’t apathetic or ignorant of political issues; they lack the power to make a sustained, substantial difference. The poor are not genetically disposed to obesity, diabetes, cancer, etc.; they lack access to health care, education and opportunities to keep them healthy.

    So here’s my big question: if money does not determine worth, intelligence, beauty, character, talent or love, how come these things are largely developed through the possession of money (i.e., resources)? Are Europeans really better than Africans (I use this as an extreme, historical example)? If not, (I believe all humans are the literal divine offspring of Deity), then how do Africans improve themselves in a global system that has been created, developed, and maintained by western industrial powers?

    Granted, there will be flares of greatness and brilliant moments of achievement from among the poor, but these are too few and too far between. These moments also perpetuate the great lies of meritocracy our country is so fond of dishing out. I refer to this mortal life and the following untruths we hear every day:

    1) Work hard and you will succeed.
    2) You can be anything you want to be.
    3) You are the only one who can change your situation.

    Anyhow, I feel myself becoming impassioned and so perhaps I will end here. I will simply say I am VERY interested in reading what you will post. Thank you.

    • Brinton

       /  July 2, 2012

      What I hope to accomplish is a basic discussion on the ideas of men, what good and bad they have come to, why this has occurred, and then discussion on how we can move forward (personally as well as collectively) toward the will of the Lord. In the spirit of this discussion, for open-mindedness, I just want to give a couple things to think about. The Lord looks at everything listed differently than we do. In 1 Samuel 16:6-7 discusses Samuel looking for the person the Lord would make King of Israel:

      6. “And it came to pass, when they were come, that he looked on Eliab, and said, Surely the Lord’s anointed is before him.”
      7. “But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

      David O. McKay also emphasized that maybe we look at things in a skewed light compared to the Lord. He stated:
      “Whether born in abject poverty or shackled at birth by inherited riches…”

      Perhaps, if we view the world as a preparation, as a place to gain experience, we will see that wealth may well be either a non-factor (if one’s heart is not set on it), or a net negative toward achieving true riches.


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